Uncensored Justice System Discussion    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Not Guilty verdict explained from Spector forum          Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> Steve "Happy" Gilmore View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Not Guilty verdict explained from Spector forum The jury in Mr. Gilmore's case came back at an impasse. No one questioned them on what charge...murder or the lesser charge. After the judge declared a mistrial the jury said that they had reached a verdict of NOT GUILTY on the murder but was at an impasse with the lesser charge. No verdict forms were filled out/signed. The jurors ALL said that they never had any forms. The judge said that he found blank forms. They tried to testify to the verdict later but the prosecutor objected citing rule 606 and the judge would not allow them to testify. We know there were no forms. My question is, why not? Were they even mentioned in the instructions? If so, does that mean that twelve people "forgot" they were supposed to be signed? This whole case stinks. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Not Guilty verdict explained from Spector forum Pia wrote: The jury in Mr. Gilmore's case came back at an impasse. No one questioned them on what charge...murder or the lesser charge. After the judge declared a mistrial the jury said that they had reached a verdict of NOT GUILTY on the murder but was at an impasse with the lesser charge. No verdict forms were filled out/signed. The jurors ALL said that they never had any forms. The judge said that he found blank forms. They tried to testify to the verdict later but the prosecutor objected citing rule 606 and the judge would not allow them to testify. We know there were no forms. My question is, why not? Were they even mentioned in the instructions? If so, does that mean that twelve people "forgot" they were supposed to be signed? This whole case stinks. After reading this, I think "stinks" is putting it mildly! But it will certainly do for now. Thanks for providing this, Pia! Gotta go, I'll have to respond in more detail later tonight. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Well because of some nitwits, Steve's thread at In Session has been closed. I would love for him to post some updates here... _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Pia wrote: Well because of some nitwits, Steve's thread at In Session has been closed. I would love for him to post some updates here... Actually, I think he has, although it was on the other thread at this area. I'm afraid I wasn't much help, though, to put it mildly. This is another one of those cases that has me baffled. How can any reasonable person put another person on trial whose only "crime" was legitimate self-defense? How can any prosecutor be such a heartless jerk as to do this? The way I understand the case, someone broke into Steve Gilmore's home, forcing him to defend himself. I don't get it; was he supposed to let this intruder kill HIM instead? This reminds me of another case which was on DATELINE, either last year or in 2006, the Harold Fish case out of Arizona. Mr. Fish's case and Steve Gilmore's sound very similar to me. Sadly, Mr. Fish was wrongly convicted, also for firing in self-defense, and some crucial facts were deliberately withheld from the jury, which resulted in a wrongful "guilty" verdict. I don't want the same travesty to happen in this case. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. 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